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Cleaning Oriental's in rug tank

May 9 2003 at 12:35 PM
David Schutt  

I'd like to know the rest of the story on Tom Tsao's rug tanks. The photo of a tank setup with an oriental rug submerged and scrubbed with a Cimex is on this site. How does Mr. Tsao dust the rug? How is the rug rinsed? How do you keep the yarn from bleeding? How is the rug dryed? Does anyone know how to reach Tom Tsao? His description of the photo ends with: "Go swimming!" Great idea! But I want to stay and clean orientals, then go swimming in a deeper pool. Thanks for your help, folks!
Have Fun,
Dave Schutt
Columbia, MO

 
 
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scooter

Re: Cleaning Oriental's in rug tank

May 10 2003, 8:37 AM 

Hi, David -

The 'rest of the story' is that there is a lot to know about cleaning oriental rugs. You think installed carpeting is touchy, just wait until you do a Pakistani bleeder or two. Talk about pucker factor!

To make it extremely brief, rug washing in a tub (or pit) is not unlike washing clothes. First we inspect the rug for pre-existing conditions, next we determine the face fiber and foundation content, then we determine whether or not it's a bleeder. Rug cleaners with much more experience than I can simply ID a rug by its patterns, colors, and geometric shapes. One glance and these experts instantly know the content of the warp/weft yarns, the face fibers, country and village of origin, approximate age, what kind of sheep the wool fibers were used from, etc. In my opinion, only if we get to this level will we truly become expert rug cleaners. Do I know how to wash a rug? Yep, but I would be fooling myself if I said I was an expert.

After ID and inspection, and assuming the rug is soakable and not a bleeder, we set the rug in the pit upside down and vacuum from the backside first. This allows the face fibers to 'grin' and drop dry soils through the nap from the foundation. It would be wise to have a grided mat between the rug and the pit liner for soils to fall through better. When that's complete, we flip the rug over and vacuum the front side throughly.

Next we start the COLD water on the rug. The bigger your service line the better. We're stuck with standard 3/4" garden hose size service and would love 2-3". Continue to thoroughly wet out the rug. Next we use a dilute solution of LST (Chemmax - 800-ultradry) and we put the solution into a garden flower sprinkler. We sprinkle the LST over the rug evenly and then use the Cimex with the SOFT brushes (which have been conditioned on cement for 10 minutes before the first time use) to scrub the solution in. We flip the rug over and do the same thing, scrubbing thoroughly. We're watching to see if there's any problems going on - like fraying/shedding (there will be SOME shedding), color bleed, etc. If we notice it, we stop and address the problem accordingly.

We then restart the fresh COLD water on the rug and use a linoleum roller to squeeze the clean water through the foundation fibers. You may use a lawn roller or weighted drag wand, but we've found the lino roller to be MUCH handier than any other squeezing tool. If it's in your budget, you might want to check into a hydraulic/pneumatic wringer system. It'll make rug rinsing a snap, but they're not cheap nor easy to install/maintain.

After we're satisfied with our rinse, we hang the rug on a bar/pulley and lift it out of the pit. Our hanging bars are right over the pit to allow for dripping rugs. Some rug cleaners prefer to evenly wet out the rug as it's hanging. I haven't employed this tactic in our cleaning operation, but I know some experts that do and trust their judgement.

We then set an airmover aimed at a 45 degree angle on it to dry it. It usually takes 12-24 hours to dry a rug, but could be more or less depending on the thickness and what it's made of.

The process above is more to be used for talking points rather than instructions. There is a lot to know about rugs besides just dipping them in some water and wringing them out. Ruining an expensive oriental rug could literally bankrupt your company so prepare yourself before taking the plunge. ASCR is a good organization to be associated with if you want to become a rug cleaning expert.

Scott


 
 
G. Tom Tsao

rug washy

May 10 2003, 2:41 PM 

>I'd like to know the rest of the story on Tom Tsao's rug tanks. The photo of a tank setup with an oriental rug submerged and scrubbed with a Cimex is on this site. How does Mr. Tsao dust the rug? How is the rug rinsed? How do you keep the yarn from bleeding? How is the rug dryed? Does anyone know how to reach Tom Tsao? His description of the photo ends with: "Go swimming!" Great idea! But I want to stay and clean orientals, then go swimming in a deeper pool. Thanks for your help, folks!
Have Fun,
Dave Schutt
Columbia, MO
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Dave,
I agree with Scooter on all of the above, I think. My dusting procedure is different, though. It's really hard to describe, but here goes:

Assume: 9x 12 persian rug

1. Lay large, heavy visqueen or tarp on concrete or other hard floor.
2. roll out rug, vacuum with commercial vac or Dyson
3. flip rug over, vacuum again.
4. Place two air movers at one end of your tarp, aimed toward a place you don't mind a lot of dust (IOW, don't do this around your computer or '67 factory Fuel Injected Corvette with knockoffs.
5. place a long 2x4 across the snouts of both air movers.
6. Flop the rug end on top of the 2x4
7. acquire six "fish clamps" (these are the plastic clamps with heavy springs--they look like fish in profile)
8. clamp the rug to the 2x4 on either side of both fans, and on the ends (six total)
9. pull several gentle waves in the tarp at the far end of the tarp. This will upset airflow and stop a lot of the heavier dust from blowing around
10. turn on both air movers.
11. if the airflow causes the 2x4 to fall off the fans, then run a rope or bungee cord around the back of each fan and secure it to the 2x4.
12. slightly adjust the angles of the fans til your rug floats and flops in waves. This flexes and shakes the foundation, loosening the dirt. Gravity pulls the dirt out (and venturi action to some small degree, I'm sure), and the airflow pushes the dirt out from under the rug.
13. Leave it running for an hour or two while you're doing something else.
14. Shut off fans
15. flip rug over, vacuum.
Now you're ready to test for which method is appropriate for this rug.

NOTE: Keep in mind that I designed my rug shop to be run entirely by one man, so if you are fortunate enough to have a helper, your efficiency will be better.

I also am probably the most perfectionist rug cleaner in my area. I wash every rug I possibly can, and usually: Inspect, vacuum, dust, vacuum, wash (several steps to washing), rinse, hang, dry, wash, rinse, pH balance, hang, dry, inspect, protect, dry, vacuum.

There is MUCH more money and profit in shortcutting (skipping steps, or using HWE or VLM) but I won't do that.

I mention this because you need to decide what type of cleaner you are going to be. You can be excellent or average. But whichever, target that clientele, and charge what you're worth. Personally, I never settle for "average."


General Tsao

 
 

Rick Gelinas

Thanks Scott and Tom

May 11 2003, 7:58 AM 

Thanks for posting about the rug wash pit! Oriental rugs are not my specialty so it's great to see your comments. Very impressive. I really appreciate the comments from you two experts!!!

BTW here's a link to the webpage that has information about using the Cimex to clean oriental rugs in a submersion tank for anyone who might be interested...

http:/web.tampabay.rr.com/rgelinas/excellent-supply/cimex-oriental-rug-washing-pit.htm



Rick Gelinas
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David Schutt

Thanks for the responses!!!

May 30 2003, 3:15 PM 

My thanks to you guys for the informative responses. Sorry it has taken me so long to tell you I appreciate them.

David Schutt
Columbia, MO

 
 
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