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Host T5 just won't hold up

July 1 2003 at 9:30 PM
danny Strickland  

I've been using a Host T5 machine to do my residential encapping. Well today I had another brush bearing go out. My equipment mech. says it's because theres no way to lube it, and it's a spider bearing also so it don't take much to get moisture in it.

I guess I'm gonna break down and buy a GLS.

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Rick Gelinas

Re: Host T5 just won't hold up

July 2 2003, 6:32 AM 

A GLS is a good machine. Keep in mind that the 15" Cimex will scrub deeper for you though. I know of a couple of residential cleaners who are having very nice success using the 15" Cimex. But either machine is a fine choice for an encap machine. Another option would be the Mist & Brush machine that Steamway and Masterblend carry. They have improved the design since you saw it at Winterfest. I was running these at the ISCT convention 2 weeks ago and they work very well now. I can get you one of these for $1700 including shipping if you're interested.



Rick Gelinas
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Steve Smith

Three Questions...for Rick

July 2 2003, 9:09 AM 

1. Does the Masterblend machine have an add-on spray system like the GLS does, or are you forced to prespray?

2. Does the 15" Cimex "bog down" like the 19"? I don't think the 19" could handle cut pile very well so it makes me wonder about the 15" too...

With the 19" it seems the higher the pile the more bogging. Of course that might be resolved by useing the white brushs instead of pads, but the white brushs won't agitate like the pads or hard surface brushs will.

3. Can you supply the names and phone numbers of the residential cleaners who use the 15" Cimex? I would love to talk to some of them.

 
 
danny Strickland

RICKy come now

July 2 2003, 9:32 AM 

The Cimex DOES NOT come close to matching the pile lifting ability that a GLS/Host machine does. I have had to stop on numerious jobs to remove the lint/hair/debris that the Host dug out of the carpet.

Unless you misspoke, you've inhailed some encapsulator and it encapped your brain if you think the Cimex comes close to the same pile lifting ability as a cylender type brush machine.

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PS i'd have to see that masterblend machine hands on before buying one, if you're up this way call me.

 
 
Tom Rowe

Re: RICKy come now

July 2 2003, 3:23 PM 

Last I heard the MasterBlend machine had no onboard sprayer available, or in the works for future release. They told me they did'nt see a need for one.
I'd have to say you won't be dissapointed with the GLS. The standard GLS without the AutoSprayer is $1695. I believe the sprayer is about $600 additional, but worth every penny.
I've got 3 GLS machines, 2 with sprayers, and one without, and 2 Cimex machines. Both machines will get the job done. Both have pro's & con's.
Yesterday I did an assisted living complex. The rooms are pretty nasty (urine & stuff). The GLS works fine there, but the Brushes smell terrible afterward, it sure is nice to have the option of the Cimex available. I can use a set of pads for that day, and just throw them away when I'm done. No need to attempt to deodorize the GLS brushes.
Either machine will make you plenty of $$$.
I sure do like having both at my disposal.

Tom

 
 

Rick Gelinas

Answers to your questions

July 2 2003, 3:59 PM 

Danny,
The GLS is a wonderful machine for digging up dry soil and lint from the carpet. However that's not what I was commenting on. What I said is that the Cimex scrubs more deeply. The Cimex does scrub more deeply - that is a fact.

Steve,
The soft shampoo brushes will create less drag than the pads on a plush carpet. We always recommend brushes if folks want to use a Cimex for residential carpets or for rug washing.

Bogging down has not been a significant problem with our 19" Cimex machines. We run 3 of them in our business. Occasionally it might bog just a little when it first starts running on a plush carpet. But this is very easy to correct. Simply lift the head slightly when you start the motor. (That’s the way you should always start it) Give the solution valve a quick squeeze to wet out the pads. Then ease the head back down as you begin walking the machine forward. Although there will naturally be increased resistance on cut pile carpets, it's never presented a challenge for us - and we clean a ton of it.

Wait. We did have a problem on one store once that had worn out circuit breakers that were overloaded. My tech had trouble getting adequate power. But I think of that as a building problem rather than a machine problem.

Regarding electrical current I was cleaning a store last night where I had the machine plugged into the same circuit breaker with the bucket heater. As you probably know, bucket heaters draw some current. I was thinking that might blow a breaker but it didn't. Normally I try to give the machine a dedicated breaker wherever possible. Last night this was toward the end of the job and I was honestly just being lazy. It worked.

I will e-mail you the phone number for a cleaner in Florida who uses a 15" Cimex machine for residential. He uses it to pre-scrub high-end residential accounts and then he goes behind the Cimex with a Steamin Demon. He sell this dual residential service very effectively as "restoration cleaning" and he gets top dollar for it. He also does some encapsulation cleaning on commercial accounts with his Cimex. He's also got a friend in his area who’s using a 15" Cimex machine for residential cleaning. The two of them have said great things about using the machine in a residential setting.

There’s also a fellow out in Washington State who was using GLS machines for residential and commercial cleaning before he discovered the Cimex. He has now switched to the Cimex for commercial encap cleaning. He still likes to use his GLS for residential because his tech is a small woman and he's got the 19” Cimex machine which is big for her to use in houses. However they have used their 19” Cimex on residential jobs and they say it scrubs very well. I’ll e-mail his number to you also.

The Mist & Brush machine doesn’t offer the accessories. If you buy a GLS machine they have the tank and sprayer option that you can buy. If I were going to use the Mist & Brush scrubber I think I’d want to go with a good battery powered sprayer.

For the record, I haven’t normally recommend encapsulation for residential cleaning. I feel encapsulation is best suited for commercial carpet cleaning. However I hear of folks who use the process for residential carpets.

Any of these machines would be a good choice. I still think that residential carpet cleaning is not the best match for encap cleaning. But Danny is doing it successfully in his business - so he's basing his decision on his own experience. That's why my advice to Danny is simply if he’s going to purchase a machine, why not get the one that can accomplish the deepest scrubbing? And since the 75 pound 15” Cimex is being used successfully in homes – that machine would make the most sense IMO.

Or Danny could just do like Tome Rowe and the fellow out in Washington and have both.



Rick Gelinas
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John Luce

Wow Rick ! This ansewered a lot of my questions

July 2 2003, 4:46 PM 

This whole discussion has brought me up to speed with the residential questions. Sounds like the 15" should also be in my inventory as a back up my new 19" for commercial.

 
 
Steve Smith

Re: Answers to your questions

July 2 2003, 4:49 PM 

Rick,

Thanks for your answers... I have decided to go ahead and purchase a 15" GLS machine in addition to the 19" Cimex I currently have.

My main reason for getting the GLS is I believe because of its smaller size and light weight it will be better for giving quick demos. I plan for our company to start doing more commercial work now that encap is an option.

If we should land several large accounts then I will probably add on a second Cimex.

Thanks again,

Steve

 
 

Rick Gelinas

Re: Re: Answers to your questions

July 2 2003, 4:57 PM 

Happy to help Steve!

And John - you're going to love your new 19" Cimex.
Wait to see if you need a 15" model. There's a lot that you can do with the 19" machine.



Rick Gelinas
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dale tokie

rinse the brushes

January 27 2004, 8:35 PM 

HI, IF YOU RINSE THE BRUSHES ON THE UNIT IT WOULD HELP
IN DEODERIZING THE BRUSHES. YOU WILL REMOVE SOME OF THE LINT AND JUNK THAT THE MACHINE WILL DIG UP IN CLEANING.

JUST PUT A LITTLE WATER IN A SMALL PAN WITH HIGH SIDES ON IT AND SLOWLY LOWER IT INTO THE WATER,THE
MACHINE WILL CLEAN ITSELF.

I USED TO DO THIS WITH THE HOST I HAD,EXPERIMENT A LITTLE,ALSO DO THIS EVERY NOW AND THEN WHILE CLEANING
AND YOU WILL HELP KEEP YOUR MACHINE CLEAN AND DO A BETTER JOB.

ALOT OF STUFF GATHERS IN THE UNDER CARAGE OF THESE UNIT'S.BUT THEIR GREAT MACHINES FOR CARPET.BUT I'D RATHER USE THE GLS THEIR MORE DURABLE THEN A HOST.

DALE TOKIE

 
 
dale tokie

rinse the brushes

January 27 2004, 8:36 PM 

HI, IF YOU RINSE THE BRUSHES ON THE UNIT IT WOULD HELP
IN DEODERIZING THE BRUSHES. YOU WILL REMOVE SOME OF THE LINT AND JUNK THAT THE MACHINE WILL DIG UP IN CLEANING.

JUST PUT A LITTLE WATER IN A SMALL PAN WITH HIGH SIDES ON IT AND SLOWLY LOWER IT INTO THE WATER,THE
MACHINE WILL CLEAN ITSELF.

I USED TO DO THIS WITH THE HOST I HAD,EXPERIMENT A LITTLE,ALSO DO THIS EVERY NOW AND THEN WHILE CLEANING
AND YOU WILL HELP KEEP YOUR MACHINE CLEAN AND DO A BETTER JOB.

ALOT OF STUFF GATHERS IN THE UNDER CARAGE OF THESE UNIT'S.BUT THEIR GREAT MACHINES FOR CARPET.BUT I'D RATHER USE THE GLS THEIR MORE DURABLE THEN A HOST.

DALE TOKIE

 
 
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