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How safe is Zonyl

November 29 2003 at 3:03 PM
Michael Grant  

I am very serouisly looking at your product and a cimex machine.
1 how stiff is the carpet when you are done and is it a problem for the customer

2 Is this system not recomended in homes because of what is in Releasit. How safe is the fluorosurfactant mixture that is in Releasit.


 
 
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Tom Rowe

Re: How safe is Zonyl

November 29 2003, 5:18 PM 

I think the system is recommended for commercial over residential basically because there is more money in commercial work. That is where the system really shines. The ability to clean 2,000 to 3,000 sq ft per hour does no good when your in a home and there's only 1,200 sq ft to clean total. It's a lot better to pull up to a commercial job and push the Cimex for 5 hours straight,...clean about 12,500 sq ft,...then at 10¢ a foot you just made $1,250.00. That is generally better than driving from house to house making a couple hundred at each.
Atleast that's my reasoning.

Tom

 
 

Rick Gelinas

Re: Re: How safe is Zonyl

November 29 2003, 10:13 PM 

The encapsulation system is really best suited for commercial applications. It enables cleaners to clean large areas of soiled carpets quickly. I know that encapsulation is being used by some cleaners in the residential setting. And I've heard some good results from those who are using it in homes. One good place for encapsulation in the residential setting is on Berber - it does awesome on Berber. There are other applications where it’s been used successfully too - such as rentals. But honestly I think encapsulation is simply matched well for commercial, that’s where it shines. Tom Rowe's comments above are good.

Regarding the safety of Zonyl, DuPont reports that it is completely safe. Zonyl is considered to be so safe that it’s not even required to be listed as an entry on the MSDS sheet. In fact the only ingredient in Releasit that's required on the MSDS sheet is isopropyl alcohol.

I think it would be impossible for anybody to predict in truth all of the possible long-term outcomes for every chemical that we work with, physically or environmentally. Therefore I think that we should all try to use every single chemical that we work with as if it were a green-headed monster, even the ones that are labeled “safe”. Because what’s considered “safe” today could wind up on the banned list tomorrow - including fluorochemicals. The health and environmental impacts of fluorochemicals are undergoing ongoing research. (See DuPont’s comments below)

My wife and I are vegetarians. We try to eat natural foods. We try to use natural products. And we try to avoid unnecessary hazards to our health. So when it comes to the chemicals we work with in our business I prefer to be very cautious.

Bottom line: I wouldn’t feel comfortable assuring you that Zonyl or any other chemical is safe. I don't think any man has the ability to assuredly make that kind of statement. (I can tell you that I’ve been told it’s safe) I can tell you taht all of the information that DuPont has presented indicates that Zonyl is completely safe. Hopefully they're telling us all the truth.


DuPont Comments On Their Fluorochemical Technology:

Telomers are Different
Telomers is a term used to describe the most common synthetic route for manufacturing perfluoroalkyl compounds. Telomer chemistry is the base chemistry for products that provide protection, repellency and surfactant qualities. This includes Teflon® and trade-branded products for carpet, textile, paper, fire fighting foam, nonwovens, coatings, and stone and tile applications.

DuPont telomer chemistry is not made with nor does it use PFOA or PFOS in the manufacturing process. However, we have confirmed that PFOA is an unintended reaction byproduct present at trace levels in some DuPont telomer based products. The scientific evidence supports the conclusion that PFOA does not cause adverse human health effects in any segment of the human population, particularly at these trace levels. DuPont has produced telomer-based products for more than 35 years. Research and use data during that time have not provided any reason to doubt the safety of the telomer chemistry used by DuPont. DuPont has proactively commenced repeated-dose, developmental, reproductive and environmental studies on selected telomer intermediate, surfactant and polymeric products to develop more data in these areas. Study results have reinforced our belief that DuPont's telomer-based products are safe for their intended uses.

Confidence and Trust - Our Commitment to You
DuPont is focused on the ongoing safety of our products and the viability of our customers' businesses, DuPont's commitment to our customers is stronger than ever. We believe that telomers provide a valuable benefit to society. We will continue to provide sound chemistry that is backed by fact-based product testing and a commitment to safety that spans the over 200-year-old history that has made DuPont the company that our customers know they can trust.

In summary, you can be assured that DuPont considers its telomer chemistry to be safe for its intended use based on data gathered over four decades of testing and use. And our customers, many of whom have reviewed our findings in-depth, echo that confidence. However, DuPont is committed to providing our customers with information about our ongoing testing and validations of DuPont telomer chemistry. For more information about DuPont's use of PFOA, please visit our www.dupont.com web site. Source: http://www.telomerinform.dupont.com









Rick Gelinas
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This message has been edited by cimex on Nov 29, 2003 10:16 PM


 
 
Michael Grant

Re: Re: Re: How safe is Zonyl

November 30 2003, 8:51 AM 

Thank you both for a very complete answer. I am excited about this new cleaning method and I think will try it in a "regular buffer with a tank and brush" before going with the cimex
Thank you

 
 
DON_ ELDRED

Re: Re: Re: Re: How safe is Zonyl

November 30 2003, 10:45 AM 

I think it always best to test new cleaning systems before committing to equipment purchases, testing the produst with your buffer will convince you that the system works well, and than when you get your Cimex machine you will see how well it really works.
Buffer----Good Results
Cimex-----Great Results

 
 
Gary R. Heacock

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: How safe is Zonyl

November 30 2003, 6:49 PM 

I do not have a Cimex. I am getting close to retirement, and am not interested in new equipment, as I have almost everything in the market.

I have used Releasit on a couple of my commercial jobs, and I can say it performs as advertised.

(I do not have many commercial jobs, mostly residential.)

I have also used Releasit in several residences, on varying types of carpets, with 100% success. I have also used it on several loose rugs, including wool orientals.

On Friday, I delivered 3 orientals back to the home where I had used Releasit on the carpets. There was a wool berber, a violet nylon, a white nylon, and a brown Saxony nylon. I checked all the carpets to see if they were stiff, or had other problems. No problems, no stiffness.

My point? Go ahead and use it on just about anything you run across, and you certainly can use your roto for this purpose.

Gary


 
 
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