What is the difference between using encap with a rotary with a brush attached and using a cimex?

Is it just an improvement in time, or does it really make that much of an improvement in quality? Or Both?

And what is preferred in a rotary, 175 or 300?

I want to start doing encap, but there is no way I can chunk down $3k right now, but $600 for a rotary…

Any help would be great!

actually it is about 2k, but close enuf.
send me the other grand. LOL
You can get good results with an orbital. I have done it both ways.
The Cimex gives superior results though, I think anyone who has done both will agree.
This machine is a tank. It has dual roatating decks that clean all sides of the fiber, compared to a rotary going in one direction all the time.
The RPMs are more in favor of the cimex when you consider there are three turning heads instead of one.
The weight of the Cimex is alot more. Not for sure of actual weights, but atleast 2x if not more.
and the pads are better than brushes or bonnets.
If you need to use your orbital or get one and go that route to save some money, that is understandable. We all work on different budgets. I do suggest atleast getting Ricks juice and also the fiberplus pads.
You will get good results with this combo and when you get the extra funds and can be fortunate to purchase the Cimex, then do so and take cleaning to even another level, not only on commercial carpets, but also tile and grout and other things that make the Cimex so versatile and a great investment.
It is a great 'tool' for everyones toolbox.

good luck buddy.
Others will chime to either reiterate what I have stated or correct me if they disagree or I am wrong on my something.

Steve

Steve Dobson
ProFloor
Custom Cleaning Services

You can use a roto to encap- I have for the last 7-8 months. (I have used a roto for over 40 years. So I know what I am talking about.)

I used the brush for 3 or 4 months before I got the Fiber Plus Pads, and had 100% success. But with the pads, 2 things happen. The solution foams more, which means more sq ft per gallon of Ready-to-Use, which becomes more economical to you, less concentrate used, and the drier foam travels further, so the carpet dries quicker.

So, depending on your budget, if funds are tight, start with a used roto- can be any brand, I suggest a 175 rpm model because it is easier to handle for a beginner- e-mail me for my "The Art And Science Of Bonnet Cleaning" which tells how to use a roto most effectively. No charge.

Then let your business buy the more advanced machine- a Cimex- when funds permit, and the press of business grows to the point of you absolutely MUST have a faster, more efficient machine.

My experience is- the Cimex- side by side with a roto on the same job is pretty close to twice as fast in coverage as a roto.

Gary

Excellent-Supply does not have FiberPlus pads in a 20" version. Do they exist? If so, where can I locate them? If not, what alternative can I use?

Thanks in advance,

Dan Reese

Ditto with what Steve said.

for myself, i was nervous to try a typical Rotary on carpet cause i had heard of pile distortion / tip-blooming being a possible problem for a noob like myself. but if your are an old pro at runnin a Rotary on carpet, then you are way ahead of me lol.

i also recommend you use the FP pads and some Releasit no matter what machine you purchase.

here is an interesting idea on purchasing a Cimex for ya Rob. it's what i did to get one...

http://www.network54.com/Forum/thread?forumid=228309&messageid=1083978533>

thanx --- Derek.

**EDIT** i see Gary posted before i got a chance to see it lol....he, as always, makes great points. so if ya dont wanna risk the credit card scenario as mentioned in the above link, then listen to Guru Heacock

WHOA look at the funky blue in me above post lol

I'm fairly new to encap, I've done about 15,000' in the last two weeks. I'm using a 275 buffer, white burnisher pads, and release-it. I've both sprayed it on ahead and used a solution tank on the buffer. It all works. I've cleaned some spots that I've worked on several times with HWE with the spot always comming back. So far they have stayed gone with encap.
Did some dark red sculptured plush glue down that didn't seem to turn out all that great , but the store liked it. I would not go back to HWE for commercial glue down.

Brian Vanous

I just wonder if you would get better results with the FP pads vs. the burnishing pad that you have. I am sure Encapman can chime in on that one. But you got good results nonetheless.
congrats. He knows all the pad technology and differences.

Steve

Steve Dobson
ProFloor
Custom Cleaning Services

I have a bunch of these left from some large retail that I no longer do, Rick thought I could get by and use these up, than I'll be ordering his.

Brian

Good replies above.

The Cimex is over 600% more efficient than a standard rotary machine. Yep you heard that right. Here's how that equation works...

A standard rotary machine cleans with one brush turning at 175 rpm. The Cimex has 3 brushes spinning at 400 rpm. So that's 3 times as many brushes spinning more than twice as fast. So if you were to make a single pass with a Cimex you'd need to make 6 passes with a standard rotary to get the same results. A big difference!

But wait there's more
The Cimex has planetary scrub heads. As the 3 brushes spin in one direction the drive deck they're attached to turns in the opposite direction. So the machine is scrubbing in both directions at the same time (moves kind of like the teacup ride at the fair). The result is that ALL SIDES of the fiber are addressed with each pass.

Now when you put together increase the 600% equation with the planetary counter-rotating scrubbing pattern you can quickly see that the Cimex will knock the socks off of the standard rotary machine.

It pushes in a straight line unlike a rotary machine. It holds 6.6 gallons max capacity. It will not tip over backward like a standard rotary with a shampoo tank.

Plus because of the planetary design the machine has no side to side torque. It's extremely safe for operators,, easy for new techs, even a small child can run it. And it's very safe for the fiber.

So those are a few of the significant differences. A standard rotary can get the job done. But this explains some of the benefits of the Cimex.




Rick Gelinas

I saw it done at the last convention. The son of one of the people in Rick's booth tried it. How old was the boy, Rick- as I recall he was about 8 or maybe 10 years old. And isn't there a pic of him doing it?

Gary

Here's the picture of the kid running a Cimex...



This kid had PERSONALITY!




Rick Gelinas

wow he is young! is that a passi in his mouth? lol

awww look how nice and shiny new that Cimex is

gotta get me some blue paint and get my drive deck painted up nicey nicey again lol, too much use i guess...cant complain.

cool pic --- Derek.

That was a sucker that he had in his mouth. He was about 5 years old. I had to lowere the handle just about all the way to the floor. He was having fun.

BTW that's the section of carpet where we had that Cimex running basically non-stop for two afternoons. And after several hours of running on the same spot of carpet there was NO DAMAGE to the fiber whatsoever. Try doing that with any other scrubbing machine LOL




Rick Gelinas

good grief! i guess i dont need to be so paranoid about keeping the Cimex running in the same spot too long. a few times i have set it down to go move a chair or something....i always get nervous. no need to be i see lol.

thanx Rick --- Derek.

I gotta add my 2 cents worth to what Rick said about so many people running that Cimex at his booth. There were a LOT of people there trying it out. This means tall people, short people, and pretty much everyone trying it out had never done it before, so their techniques were all different, some put down too much solution, some did not put down any, some did it right, but the point is- the carpet was not damaged, nobody ran the machine into the wall, or another person, or over their foot, etc.

I was there, just across the aisle, for the whole time in my booth, so I saw it all.

Gary