i've been using Steve's Vacaway for residential, and Releasit for commercial... are they basically the same? in the sense that i can use Releasit for residential? i know some time ago Rick said it wasn't developed for residential, but i'm wondering if i need to buy both products?

Releasit works very nicely for residential. And there are a number of cleaners who are using it for residential carpeting. The only reason I downplay using encap for residential (regardless of the brand) is because I feel that there are other methods that may be better suited for the task, such as HWE. But you certainly can do residential with Releasit. Take a look at this picture from our website that shows a really TRASHED residential carpet...

http://excellent-supply.com/cimex_residential.htm

Note: This was a carpet at an apartment that my brother owned. One of his tenants really messed up this cheap renter's grade carpet. It was nasty! The woman who lived here had her water break so there was even embryonic fluid on the before picture's carpet.




Rick Gelinas

whats up Forrest and as usual.. Encapman? Hope all is well.
Forrest, do you do any bonnet cleaning.
this may be your ticket in the residential market.
You know that I am an avid encap/releasit fan.

I like to keep in more for commercial arenas. I use the cimex all the time when HWE'ing, as my scrubber and agitation step to awesome results.
but each passing day has me more and more into the VLM side of things.
I am doing more and more bonnet cleaning. there is bonnet cleaning and bonnetcleaning done right.
I have learned alot in the past few months, this is becoming more and more my method of choice in the residential arenas.
not when I have urine problems, etc.
then I need the hoses and the support of my Butler Tm.
but each week finds me using my Tm less and less. it is amazing the results I am getting bonneting/OP'ing.
awesome. the custys love it after i explain the extraction via the bonnet, not hoses, and esp. when they see the bonnets that are black/ and white like a zebra. they can visually see it then and lend full support. the are in love even more with quicker drying times, etc.
just a thought.
i even post bonnet some of my encap accts. for that 'kicker'. it works. <br />encap in commercial accounts is awesome. bonnet in res' is awesome. A real win/win situation and VLM still all the way.
I am learning more and more each and every day. My mind will never rest. LOL
good luck.
lets talk on the phone soon buddy.

Steve

Steve Dobson
ProFloor
Custom Cleaning Services

are you Steve, or does anyone here, use the 8" bonnet pads for the Cimex for bonnet cleaning?

please give some reallife results, would love to hear it.

thanx --- Derek.

Yes we use them on commercial cut pile jobs, swirls marks are not as bad, and easier to brush out.
Bonnets are not as aggressive as pads, so you need to use some judgement as to when you can or should use them.
You do get more sq. footage from your detergent with the bonnets.
We will also use the bonnets in accounts that we do weekly cleaning, as carpets are in great shape and do not need to be too aggressive with our cleaning system

Hey Steve!! howz it going for you? lol

i have a 15" Breeze that i use daily for OP. i've been using Vacaway for encap (which works well), and use Releasit for commercial, but i was wondering "why should i be buying two different products if they do the same?", so i just bought another case of Releasit two days ago.

i got rid of my TM and van yesterday, so now i'm totally using my Breeze for OP & Cimex for commercial (and nasty residential). lol

Rick;

with Vacaway (and other encap products), i'm told i don't need to get the water hot. with Releasit, you've suggested to get it really hot. should other products be doing the same? will Releasit work well without having to boil hot water with my bucket heater ALL the time?

Forrest,

We see only a small improvement with hot water.

Remember that we clean with..
Temperature
Agigation
Chemical
Time

So although the increase in effectiveness with hot water is small - a slight improvement is still a slight improvement.

However if you're only able to use cool water, no problem, you'll still get great results with Releasit. Our proficient blend of surfactants is what gives Releasit its superior cleaning ability. Hot, warm, or cold, you can expect fine results.




Rick Gelinas

I can attest to Ricks post exactly from todays experience.
I left my stuff in a vacant room in the INN last night after working there all day. I didnt want to have to load it all up, as I was returning today to the same section to finish.
I had about half a tank and just didnt want to drain it and reheat it this morning.
So just went about my biz and began encapping.
It was totally unnoticeable where I left off with 180 degree water, atleast that temp yesterday, and the room temperature water that set in the cimex overnight that I started with this morning. No even the slightest notice whatsoever.

So it makes sense to me.
But it wasnt totally trashed, where maybe the heat would make a slightly more noticeable difference.
just my 2 cents worth.

steve

Steve Dobson
ProFloor
Custom Cleaning Services

agreed with Rick & Steve.

and for the 1st time today i used my new bucket heater from World Of Clean, and before i pre-vac'ed, i plugged the heater in and dropped it into the Cimex's solution tank. after near 20 minutes, the water went from outside temp (50 farenheit), to steam rising out of the solution tank (wasn't boiling).

the traffic lanes were in need of restoration cleaning (trashed), and that little heat i feel did help some.

thanx --- Derek.

BTW, thanx for the response mr. Eldred

I have used hot tap water, which is around 120 to 130, hot water from my Truck Mount, which at the end is 180, and cold water. There is little difference I found, not enough to always have the water as hot as possible.

It is a matter of convenience- to me anyway- what the source of the water is. In my opinion, hot water works better than cold, but actually I saw very little difference.

As far as using one product for commercial and another for residential, I don't think it makes any difference what the job is, the dirt is essentially the same, the fibers are essentially the same, so one product will work just fine in both situations.

That's my experience.

I like the tea tree oil and the teflon additives to Releasit Encapsulating Detergent, and prefer it to other similar brands.

Gary

interesting Derek... i never thought of dropping the heater into the CImex tank itself, i use a bucket, but if it's safe, that sounds a lot easier.

hiyas Forrest

yes it appears safe, my bucket heater has a metal shield around the heating element to protect things like plastic buckets (or Cimex solution tanks) from melting.

just make sure you set the heater into the opposite side of the solution tank from the filter! otherwise the heating element could come into contact with it and melt it.

thanx --- Derek.