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Does it really make a difference if the releasit solution is hot or not? We have tried it both ways quite a bit and we can not tell a difference. It seems to clean fine no matter what.

Kevin Pearson

Kevin,

Encap-Clean works the same in any temperature.

However there is an edge to using hot water.
1) The molecules in the water move faster as the temp increases = more activity. So dirt is moved a little easier.
2) There will be just a touch more foam produced with hotter water.

The bottom line is just what you've observed Kevin - Releasit works pretty similarly in hot or cold water. That's a result of the chemistry doing its job. The chemistry works well in any temperature. Yet beyond the detergent's inherent efficacy at any temperature, there's always an edge to using hot water and this is why we recommend it. We have to keep in mind that temperature is part of the cleaning equation T.A.C.T. (temperature, agitation, chemical, time) - that's a basic standard. So using hot water brings some benefit to the table (even if it's a fairly small benefit).




Rick Gelinas
encapman

if i have the patience, i no longer use cold solution. meaning if i have 10 minutes to wait (a.k.a. - prevac) i will throw my bucket heater in the solution tank and in about 20 minutes the solution is literally steaming out of the tank...seems to help just a little bit. by the time it gets to the carpet it is probably warm, but that's better than cold i figure. least the solution isn't being sprayed into the air before hitting the fibers, which would cool it down more i think.

thanx --- Derek.

Thanks guys. I guess you confirmed what I was thinking Rick. That is that the difference between hot or cold is very small.

Kevin Pearson

Well, if that is true, sort of makes you wonder why P&G are launching the new "Tide" for cold water laundry...doesn't it? I mean is it only because there is so little difference between hot and cold that manufacturers can make the same product - only put it into a different box, one that says "Cold water" approved? Then why have people invested in "heat", from TMs to chemicals, over the years?

And why are we told that cleaning performance increases with each 18 degree F increase in application temperature...was that bunk?

Let's just say that there is a lot of research work that goes into the proper selection of ingredients for a cleaning product, some of the big ones being the choice of surfactant for the system, and the temperature of use. And a properly balanced system can be optimized and quite specific for use-conditions - that is with the exception of some really "universal" products like Tide that are used in every country on earth almost under vastly different conditions - yet the performance has to be the same. So Tide is over-formulated, to take low as well as hot temperatures into account.

And while it is true that some cleaners work inversely well with increasing temperatures, it is perhaps safe to say that increasing temperatures with this product means increased performance. I for one wouldn't discount the use of higher temperatures in this case.

The most noticeable difference in efficacy of the hotter cleaning solution is seen on the dirtest carpets.

Charlie and Rambo, I only asked the question because we have been trying it out in side by side situations and the difference is not detectable. Now with a TM heat does make a difference, but it has not seemed to make a big difference with Releasit.

Kevin Pearson

Kevin:

Yes, I know. It's a good question tho' and my response was just a bit of fluff add-on.

Kevin, another reason Temp may not be as much of a factor, is that old cleaning pie again...with the Cimex you're getting MAXIMUM agitation. add in the use of pads and it's more aggression than even an RX20 can compare with. so when the A goes up the T can go down with not much problem.

thanx --- Derek.

If P&G is just now developing Tide for cold water cleaning; what about “all temp-a-Cheer”? I think that’s how they use to promote Cheer laundry detergent. I don’t know how all this fits into the grand scheme of things with chemistry, but it just seems to be food for thought. Evidently you can get more than acceptable cleaning results with booth hot and cold cleaning; and that appears to apply to cleaning laundry and cleaning carpet.

Just my less than .00000002.

David Gelinas

For sure, All-Temperature "Cheer" has been out there for decades and so have a variety of other products that claim to have matched performance with optimum temperatures of use. So, how does this relate to us?

Well, it is only to point out that P&G invest hundreds of millions of $ into the "cleaning" process and still the best thay can come up with is a change in the surfactant system used in order to lower the temperature of use (thereby promoting "savings") and all the while keeping the 'same' level of performance. Because one of the most important functions of a cleaner is to make water wetter; that it does in the proper choice of surfactants optimally matched to the soil load, type and temperature of use. By using different surfactants, you get different cleaning profiles. Maye lower temperatures of use, maybe more oily soil removal, maybe more particulate soil removal...

But each product is targeted to a particular set of conditions. In our case, we are talking cold to hot water, i.e from say 40 deg F to 125 deg F with a given set of soils, from an average carpet. The "performance" parameter is only that the carpet appear clean. Now if a product contains a surfactant that is active within that Temperature range, then bingo, the carpet will appear clean. Could it be cleaner at higher Temperatures?

Thermodynamics says it will, all things being equal, but how would you know? Does your shampoo work better at 90 deg F than at 110 deg F? Maybe and probably...but definitely marginally. Most anionic surfactants will, but try changing the anionic for a non-ionic - and then repeat. Big change.

Just more fluff. Not much point being made here...but what do you want at 07:20 am. Logic? LOL