Got a large empty apt complex (100 units) this fri. There are several units with pet urine,(Mabe hunam too, who knows) question is, does any one recomend a good product that I could use that will work with Ricks bug juice.. Thanks

Howdy Goencap,

Simple fix... Go to a local health food store. Purchase a vial of Tea Tree Oil. Mix it at a rate of 10-20 drops per gallon of mixed Releasit, depending on the severity of the odor. This should correct the problem for you. Tea Tree is a potent odor killer and anti-microbial.




Rick Gelinas
encapman

Thanks Rick. I will Try it out Friday

Will the tea tree oil also remove the yellow stain, or is it just for the odor?

I have been looking for over 20 years for somthing that will take out the yellow stain, odor, no problem.

Ray,

Encap-Spot works well on urine. There's enough Tea Tree in it to eliminate the odor. And it has a range of surfactants and solvents that can do a respectable job on a wide variety of spots, including urine that hasn't gotten to the point where it's dyed the carpet permanently.




Rick Gelinas
encapman

While the tea oil may take away the odor. First rule in odor control is to eliminate the sourse. A moisture detector or a black light will be needed to evaluate the areas involved and pin point the urine. Then the areas need to be treated with an apropriate product to break down the urine and then rinsed out. If you do not have a portable extractor or truckmount you can use a wet dry vac to accomplish this. Just keep applying fresh water to the area while extracting. Although it would be a pain in the butt. You will have much better success removing the urine than just spraying it. It could come back to bite you later down the road. I use the Odor Attack from Cobb Carpet supply with very good results. CTI has the OSR which is a good product also. There are others. Call your supplier and see what he has. More severe cases the carpet need to be pulled back and pad pulled out and replaced in the affected areas, and the floor need to be sealed. This is the short version.
Been there and done that spray stuff before. Sometimes you can get away with it. More often than not, no way. All you need to miss is one little bit of the urine and the ordor will come back.

Good advice from Bob about getting to the source of the urine. Tea Tree has worked well for us on urine, diarrhea, even a small restaurant sewer leak (food waste). To go along with what Bob said, it's best to get to the source or you may likely be unsuccessful. Now if you can get the Tea Tree to the source it will do more than take away the odor, it will eliminate the source. This is why Tea Tree products are commonly used in nursing homes. The stuff works wonders on urine! There's nothing quite as effective that I'm aware of. Plus it's extremely safe to work with, as opposed to the standard quaternary agents that are often used in nursing homes. That's why I like tea tree extract so well, it has never failed me yet. BTW I've had poor success with OSR (maybe it was just me, but the couple of times I used it the odor wasn't removed completely). And I think that if the affected area could have been doused with a tea tree solution, like what is recommended with OSR - the problem could have been corrected entirely. I like Bob's suggestion about using a moisture detector or a black light to evaluate the areas involved and pin point the urine. Thanks for sharing those helpful suggestions Bob.





Rick Gelinas
encapman

Your right Rick. I have had better results using odor atack from Cobb's. I have done several jobs the last couple of months that were done by other cleaners that only "sprayed" something on the carpet to cure urine contamination. They do not have a clue, or do not want to do it the right way. More money in my pocket. The property managers did not like my prices. But they had to do something to get the tenants off their backs. As a result they think I am a odor control wizzard. They call me for all kinds of stuff now. My biggest problem is now they think I can cure any urine situation. They do not like to hear replace carpet!
Going back to the original question and procedures. I forgot to mention a water claw to extract with. Much better than a wand. Plus you can see what is comming out of the carpet. Wiith a water claw you can flood the area insuring to cover the total area that is infected. For the newer guys, always remember that the spot you see on the surface can be serveral times larger beneath. that is why it's very important that all the urine be located with the tools describe earlier. At times there will be no spot to see, but you can bet the urine is still there.
I have done a search for Tes Tree Oil, but have not as yet found anything that describes dsinfecting or sanitizing.
I have seen many uses but nothing in the arena of what we do. I'am thinking it is not cost effective to use in areas other than a small cat or dog that has only had the one or two dribbles. If you have a web site in mind send me the link. I would like to read more on it.

Thanks Bob

Hi Bob,

Here's a good encyclopedia type resource for Tea Tree with a ton of data...

http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/g2603/0001/2603000122/p1/article.jhtml

An example of using Tea Tree for urine comes from the commercial carpet manufacturer Collins & Aikman's. C&A has an odor treatment product called SYON-5 that was especially formulated for their nursing home installations. SYON-5's active odor treatment ingredient is Tea Tree oil. BTW, the name SYON comes from SYdney Australia and DaltON Georgia. Here's the link...

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3830/is_7_48/ai_55471533/pg_2

And I was sent a few samples of a product that's handled by the carpet manufacturer Lee, and it also contains Tea Tree. The product is similar to the SYON-5 product from Collins & Aikman.

Tea Tree is pretty amazing on urine.
You might want to give it a test.



Rick Gelinas
encapman

Thanks guys for your advice, being a green pea, I think I'll take a little of both with me, and experiment, after all the apt managers original plan was to scrap the carpet, so bidding @ .05 sqft. at least I'll gain some much needed experience in pee pee as I plan to take on more res jobs.

Rick - do I understand correctly that you are using the combo of Releasit and Tea Tree Oil as others are using OSR - that is soaking, letting stand for 20-30 minutes and then extracting and rinsing?
Or doing everything the same except for the rinsing, which would seem to be unnecessary.

Rick, thanks for the links on the tree oil.

Bob

Bob,
You're welcome.

Bo,
No I'm not doing the soak and dwell process with Tea Tree like what's normally done with OSR. I was just saying that if a similar level of exposure was introduced with Tea Tree as what's normally done with OSR I'm pretty sure the urine problem would have been eliminated better than OSR. I've only attempted to use OSR on a couple jobs but I couldn't get acceptable results (but like I said, maybe it's just me). I've had good success with Tea Tree, so that's what I prefer using for urine and odor control.




Rick Gelinas
encapman

Rick I have had much better results using Odor Attack. Been using it for about a month or so now, and no problems. Maybe I have just been lucky! Two were small dogs that went every where. Flooded areas, water clawed, applied odorcide, no problem. At $85 a gallon it better be good.

Bob