I know you encap homes,

What do you use and how do you do it?

Thanks

Joe, I encap MOST of our residential business now. 75% of the time I use Larry Cobb's Dynachem and the other 25% of the time I use Releasit DS on the lightly soiled ones. 1) Vacuum well 2)spray product with Multi-sprayer, no dwell time required. 3) brush in with a CRB machine (GLS) w/grey brushes. 4) post vac the dust bunnies if there are any, most of the time #4 is not required if you did a good job of pre-vacing)

Ray,
How "encapsulation" would work without crystallization remains a mystery to me.
http://www.excellent-supply.com/encapsulation.htm

Maybe we should just call it "ulation" chemistry




Rick Gelinas
encapman

Rick, I don't have a clue as to how it works, but I do know that it does work. I have cleaned with it over and over on the same carpets for over a year now and the results are excellent as it is with your product. I like them both.

Not meaning to be a pain Ray... but...

The fact that we can get a carpet to look clean by methods other than extraction, does not of itself qualify that we're performing "encapsulation". Getting something to look clean is only half the battle, we also need to have a way to get the soil out of the carpet. With "encapsulation" there has got to be some method for extracting the soil - hiding the soil for the time being is not enough. This is where good crystallizing polymer chemistry comes into the picture. A good encapsulation detergent should have the ability to capture the soil within a crystal that can release from the fiber and then be extracted through the post-vacuuming cycle. As you know, we can do a lot of cleaning simply using plain water. Or we could even use laundry detergent or dish soap to scrub a carpet and it would probably look better. But I'm sure that none of us would consider this encapsulation cleaning. Here's my point; with no crystallization occurring, there simply is no vehicle present for soil recovery to take place. Now I'm not trying to be difficult Ray, you know I love ya bud. And I can appreciate that you're happy with the results that you've gotten on your residential jobs. My only question is whether or not a non-crystallizing product can truthfully be termed "encapsulation" chemistry. I'm of the opinion that calling this type of chemistry "encapsulation" would really be stretching the term. But in the end, if it's working for ya and you're happy that's what matters.



Rick Gelinas
encapman

If I am not mistaken
Cobbs Encap formula is designed to encap the carpet fibers not the soil
By encaping the carpet fibers with this film. The film is suposed to displace the soil particals off the carpet fibers. One would assume that aggitation would be needed for this to happend.

I would aslo guess that after the carpet dried post vacing would be a must using this product if it indeed does what the claims area.

Interesting concept but I do not know if it works or not, I have not used this product yet.

Rambo you stated if the carpet is lighly soiled you would use DS, are you saying that Cobbs has more punch to it?

The fiber gets a film formed around it thus repelling the dirt from the carpet. Now I understand. LOL



Rick Gelinas
encapman

Well I'm glad you understand Rick...........

Could someone please explain to me, in simple terms, (after all, I do come from the land down under), how this product, which has no brain or mental capacity as far as I am aware, can differentiate between soil and fibre so as to know to which it shall bind itself???

The whole system has me baffled.

Oh, gawd, it's only 05:00 !!!!!!!!!!

I'm goin' back to the cot.

Morning all.

Cheers,

Shorty.

Hey Shorty,

I was kidding when I said that I understand

Repelling the soil out of the carpet by applying a film to the fiber is incomprehensible to me too.




Rick Gelinas
encapman

isn't that what scotchgaurd(sp?) does? or sposed to do?

Fluoro-Chemicals such as Scotchgard, Teflon, Soileze, are protectors.
They cause the fiber to resist resoiling.

Yet I find it perplexing as heck to consider that a fluoro-chemical could be added to a carpet detergent which would thereby make the the fiber reject soil, making it possible to recover the soil with a vacuum cleaner. Just stop and think about it for a moment. Perhaps you can wrap your brain around the idea. But it doesn't make sense to me.



Rick Gelinas
encapman

understand it doesn't mean it doesn't work. After a year of using Dynachem and cleaning the same carpet over 5 times in one case. I use a Micronta 30x illuminated microscope to check the fibers for residue and as of yet have not found any with Dynachem. There are some cases of up to 22 cleanings w/o HWE extraction or any residue build up.To answer the question as to which is stronger, I have to go with Dynachem, sorry Rick, you know I love you too. I still use Releasit on residential and commercial.

That's interesting that you say that Ray. I was playing around with some of Larry's juice several months back and I couldn't get it to cut oily soils as well as any of the other encap products that I was testing at the time. But if you like the stuff Ray that's what matters. Differing opinions are what makes the world go round



Rick Gelinas
encapman

Very interesting Rick, I do not mean this to be argumentive, but I found out the exact opposite when I testing several different encap products cleaning a nasty BBQ restaurant and a greasy Thai restaurant. I no longer clean any restaurants. I found that Larrys juice did the the best job. On moderate soil I prefer Releasit for the Tee Tree Oil.

What can I say Ray? Our experience showed the exact opposite.
Three other brands of encap products did better.
I dunno, maybe we just had a bad batch.



Rick Gelinas
encapman