I've got a job with lots, and I mean lots of spots that look like this one:



The problem was caused by the janitorial people doing some creative spot cleaning. What ever they used is attracting dirt big time.

I'd like to extract it to remove as much of the offending cleaning agent as possible,...but I'm fairly certian that using HWE will result in the spots returning in a few weeks,...even though the spots will be a lot lighter and less noticable I feel they will come back to some extent(been down this road before), which will require a 2nd trip to make them go away for good.

Do you think Encapping it in the first place would be more effective, and permanent than HWE? Can encapping it take care of the exsisting residue?

I'm really leaning toward encapping this since I'm sure HWE would require 2 cleanings to fix the problem.

Thanks
Tom

Tom.........We did a medical facility with stains like that,as well as a
huge 20,000 sq.ft.office this past Saturday.........we used 2 Challengers
with the Durapad (no gliders,no constant wringing/changing pads),
We also used the Cimex.........We E-capped the whole place....carpet was
clean and dry when we left.......office mgr.said it looked great.

Coffee,soda,food......you name it it was in the carpet.
HWE would have been a disaster.......

I HWE for over 12 years, Lately been using Cimex and DS on commerical.
I would go the Cimex and follow the guide for spills and stains. It will save you time and hassle of dragging in all the hoses.

I would Encap this one. I have pediatric centers
whose stains look just like that one. I just use the
encap stain removal system. clean around the stain then
isolate that stain with dry passes then ds 50/50 and you
should be all set.


Ralph

Good advice above!

Releasit can tackle detergent residues from prior cleaning with flying colors. The crystallizing polymer can encapsulate sticky detergent just as well as a sticky soda spill, it doesn't know the difference. Employ the technique for recurring spill stains and you should be in good shape. Take your time scrubbing the spots and keep them as DRY as possible. Then spray dow a few squirts of the 1 to 3 Encap-Clean DS mixture. You should do just fine.




Rick Gelinas
encapman

That works for me also. Boy I really miss have to drag in the hoses (NOT) that we used to do in the old days.

Get ready for thick skin.

ANYTIME something wicks.. its always the operator error and negilgence. Whether its me, you, rick or whomever.

HWE will never require a second trip if you do the job right the first time.
post padding and an airmover will ALWAYS fix the problem. Do you have a rotary? an Airmover? Stain absorb?

If not, there in lies the problem. They are mandatory tools in this industry.

*NOTE,, i am an ENCAP/Releasit/Cimex fan and daily user.

but its not the method, its the operator. It's always been that way. It always will be. We dont' want ot hear that though.

You could encap that. But I would rather see you flush it out.
Pump the water to that bad boy. If you dont' feel you are getting it in the 'basement of the fibers', get a water spot claw and get it out. then Pad it try and get it dry via more pads or an airmover.
Then you can encap right over it.

I am an avid HWE guy.. but I do it right and don't cheat the system.
And I am an avid Cimex/Releasit feller too.
And I love to padcap.

The bottom line, they are all TOOLS>. and need to be in everyones tool box.
I would hate to think that I advertised being the best cleaner, and didnt have a TM and HWE>. It's mandatory. no exceptions to the rule. (residentially speaking,, and I will say it.. commercially as well)

But that being said, I would hate to think that I didnt have an RX, a CImex, didnt encap or use my rotary on all my jobs.

How good are you? How good do you want to be?
Do you want to be the best or merely a status quo cleaner like 90% of our industry.

It's a personal challenge and answer. There isn't a right answer.. just your own one.
And you can keep the answer to yourself.

Shave and think about it.

Just food for thought.

And as always.. coming at you Respectfully.
It's all good.

Thanks for the sharing forum Rick.. Great stuff buddy.


Steve Dobson
ProFloor
Custom Cleaning Services

With all due respect Steve, that all may look good on paper. However in real world settings, there are many instances where wicking will definitely occur on a CGD (commercial glue down) even when the HWE is performed superbly and post bonneting is done. A good cleaning with Releasit is king of the hill on CGD that's likely to wick. Using the Cimex and Releasit together is a very simple and effective way to handle this kind of problem carpet.




Rick Gelinas
encapman

Rick, I hope not to sound dumb but you say in the post "Then spray dow a few squirts of the 1 to 3 Encap-Clean DS mixture".
Can you esplain(as the great Ricky Ricardo would say)how you mix the encap ds mix.

You lost me on the 1 to 3 mixture part.

Thanks
Joe M

How to mix 1-3...

In a quart bottle: Mix 8 oz of Encap-Clean DS to 24 oz of water.

Is that what you needed to know?




Rick Gelinas
encapman

That did it.

I'm going to do this job this weekend. I'll try to remember to bring my camera, and take some pics.