| Residential EncapApril 8 2006 at 11:16 PM |
Joe
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| Is there anything in a residential setting that SHOULD'NT be encapped? i.e. wool rugs, etc. Reason I ask is that I only encap berber carpets. iI its cut pile, wool, etc. I usually HWE it...But I would consider encapping it all if it does a good job and the customer is happy...
Thanx!
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Richard Brooks
| Re: Residential Encap | April 9 2006, 12:30 AM |
I do a lot of residential "pad-capping" with a 17" 175 rotary. My clients have been quite pleased with the encapsulation technology and quick drying times. There are a few (not many) though that feel better with HWE. In those cases we HWE with encap-punch so they still receive the benefits of encapsulation.
Have done some trashed carpets "pad-capping" and have been amazed. When we run into pet issues I spike the Encap-DS with extra tea tree extract and alcohol to clean with. If there are just a few bad pet spots I may break out the spotting machine to flush them out. If the pet issues are plentiful I will HWE. Other than real bad pet issues I have had very good results and feed-back with "pad-capping".
I use the "Dirt Napper" (Bonnet) Brush system followed by encap bonnets like what Rich sells quite often with great results. |
| gblanas
| Encapping residential | April 10 2006, 2:53 PM |
I bought a Challenger OP machine for doing residential & small comm. The 15" wide machine is compact and easy to move around in a residential setting. I have had great results on both commercial & residential carpets. I try to use HWE as little as possible but when I do I also use Punch in the machine. Encapsulation just makes too much sense, why would you NOT want to do it! |
| George S. Barnes
| Re: Encapping residential | April 10 2006, 4:43 PM |
I am now looking to do almost all of my previous customers that I HWE on in the past, with encap,either by the cimex or the sprint. I used the sprint today on 1300'and 25 stairs becuase of time restraints. It took me 3hrs taking my time, vs 5-6 hrs HWE. I felt real guilty when I presented a bill for $600.00 but that won't last to long becuase he was very happy and the place looked better than if I would have HWE. Lots of dog hair(4), urine and just plain old food spills. Everything came out just great without beating myself up physicallly. I have'nt found anything either in residential or commercial that wont clean up with encap. I found the biggest problem in encapping is convincing yourself, becuase the customer does'nt care or understands. I started off in HWE and I am sure I would'nt have a problem had it been the other way around. Encapping gives you in residential lots of pluses such as costs, time, drying times(which is big for the customers)and the results are fantastic.
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| mike pailliotet
| Rick, you need to step in and stop this. | April 10 2006, 11:19 PM |
These guys need a a stern lecture on what is right and what is wrong. |
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Richard Brooks
| LOL | April 11 2006, 12:47 AM |
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Brian
| Re: LOL | April 11 2006, 8:43 AM |
You must brush or rake after you Cimex?. I usually don't, I think the swirllys look cool.
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Jeff B
| Re: Rick, you need to step in and stop this. | April 11 2006, 1:01 AM |
Mike, maybe these guys know more about their business and customers than you.
I do however think scrubbing a carpet with a green stripping pad is wrong. I also think it is wrong to try to convince someone to spend $80.000 on a Vortex only to find out they have to pre scrub (with a green stripping pad) and post bonnet with a rotary to get the best results.
My advice to you is, you need to learn a little about encapsulation and take some carpet cleaning classes.
This message has been edited by cleanercarpets on Apr 11, 2006 1:03 AM
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| mike pailliotet
| Green pads.... | April 11 2006, 3:06 PM |
work excellent on Olefin CGD.
The pad should be worked in a bit on some concrete to make it glide nice. Be sure to have the carpet properly lubed up.
The relation ship between a rotary prescrub and post padding and a good HWE flush is something most "
Cleaners" cant phanthom because their too lazy.
Everyone wants the cheap easy way out.
Pounding your chest about only needing $2000 worth of equipment to "clean" is a sign of ignorence.
Rick, what is your opinion?
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| Rambo
| $12000.00 w/o a truckmount... | April 11 2006, 9:03 PM |
I agree Mike, I have over $12000 worth of equipment every day my van leaves the shop, and it always seems like I could use more. |
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Jeff B
| Re: $12000.00 w/o a truckmount... | April 12 2006, 12:42 AM |
I don't agree Mike, you pound your chest about your vortex but then need a rotary to bring your cleaning up to parr.
You also trash other methods that you know nothing about, that's ignorances. |
| Richard Brooks
| Re: Rick, you need to step in and stop this. | April 12 2006, 12:32 AM |
Point is, no chest pounding, no one needs a lecture & no ignorance here.
HWE is great.
Pre scrub, HWE, Post Bonnet is the ultimate.
I think we all know this.
I HWE, Encapsulate commercial and Pad-cap, have the tools and may use one or all of these methods on any particular cleaning.
The pictures I posted above are of a job that had been cleaned twice by another HWE cleaner (a hack I’m sure) and the spots kept coming back. The client requested my encapsulation system she found listed on my website. Did the job pad-capping with $1000.00 worth of my equipment and the spots have not returned. This client works where I get gas so I have been able to easily follow up with her. She is thrilled with what we have done for her and the referrals have followed. Properly done HWE for this job would have done just as good and the spots would not have come back but she didn’t want HWE.
This thread is about a question asking if Encap can do a good job creating a happy client in a residential setting. My answer, not all jobs can be done successfully Encapping with an absorbing pad however most can. My reasoning (agree or disagree), after a very thorough pre-vacuuming a maintenance cleaning the remaining soil left is what is stuck to the carpet fiber and is easily removed with an absorbent pad and encapsulation technology is left behind after I leave.
I am not going to debate this any further. My statement with these pictures is, with a minimal investment a carpet cleaner can build a happy, profitable & loyal client base. A good carpet cleaner can use any number of methods and achieve great results. I hope this information helps someone. Thanks for your time.
Richard
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Rick Gelinas
| Interesting stuff | April 12 2006, 8:01 AM |
Richard, Thanks for sharing the pictures. As your post points out, there are situations where having a variety methods work very well. Encapsulation can be used in certain residential cleaning application very successfully. For instance, Encap-Punch does an awesome job as a pre-spray/HWE cleaner as well as a bonnet/pad cleaner. In this case there are two methods of cleaning going on at the same time (extraction plus encapsulation). The shampoo method using Encap-Clean can also be useful in a residential setting where wicking is a concern, as in the case of an olefin Berber. However, as I've stated before, I feel that this method is truly best suited for the commercial setting.
Richard it sounds like you have covered all your bases with good equipment and technical skill. And that's what separates the men from the boys --- what we accomplish as cleaners comes down to technical skill. The word HACK is one that fits a few in the industry, yet there's a tremendous number of professionals out there too. Having good tools and good cleaning systems in place that profitably produce excellent results is a recipe for success. Encap is simply another tool in the toolbox. And it's a powerful tool at that
Rick Gelinas
encapman
This message has been edited by cimex on Apr 12, 2006 8:05 AM
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| DAnny Strickland
| Re: Interesting stuff | April 13 2006, 11:02 AM |
wait till i get my Vortex, Mike will seem like a humming bird compaired to me!!!
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