So who here straight encaps residential jobs? by this i mean doing a good prevac then srcubbing the encap juice in and leaving. Are there any health issues to worry about doing it this way? i cant see any but maybe im missing something. Also if you op after the scrub does that deminish the effects of the encap? seems to me by removing the juice by oping you are leaving less in the carpet to its jobs to the best of its ability. Does anyone have some good before and after photos of resi jobs? Im adding carpet cleaning to my chimney sweep business this spring and want to go the vlm route so im asking ????. I sure like the idea of encapping compared to the dry compound method which i think gives great results but the compound is not prices effective. Encapping with a crb machine seems like the better method and im trying to gather all the info i can so thanks for any advice you can give. Brian

One of the national maid service franchises has recently begun offering carpet cleaning services to its customers. It is in the process of supplying CRB machines to its franchisees for the performance of this service. I believe thay have selected the smaller model of the Whittaker GLS. While you could do the same, I feel you could do a better job with a good OP machine. The OP would give you the option of either doing just the "scrub & run", or padcapping your encap jobs with absorbent terrycloth cotton pads, whereby you are removing actual soil. Whereas the CRB-only approach will probably pass muster on most every job, on heavily soiled carpet your results will be definitely lighter & brighter if you padcap, or (best of all) first scrub with a non-absorbent pads, then finish up with a damp terrycloth pad. This will both LOOK better, as well as lighten the load on the encap cleaning product you are using to eventually get all the soil out.

Come on Brian use your head.

Go into just about any house in America and what do you find?

Pets!

Usually more then one.

What do pets do to carpets?
They urinate and defecate, they slobber and shed, they bring in germs from out side and from the neighbor's pets.



Now what else do you find in almost every house in America?

Husbands and Kids!

What do Husbands and kids do to carpets?
They urinate and defecate, they slobber and shed, they bring in germs from out side and from the neighbor's kids.


Now ask yourself, how do you clean YOUR body after a long hard day of work?
Do you spray a soap or shampoo on your skin and hair and scrub it in and leave it or do you get in a HOT shower, lather up and rinse?



Do the right thing and get a Truck Mount to clean your residential homes with. Don't worry you'll find need for your CRB in homes to pre scrub and pile lift with.


www.mikeysboard.com

I have to agree with Mikey on this one. Since encapping has become so popular I see a growing trend for more and more cleaners to want to encap everything. In the commercial arena this is more of a possibility, but with residential you can forget it. I hate the phrase "scrub and run". That really sounds like something a trained carpet cleaning professional should be saying, does'nt it. People want to make a good living cleaning carpet with little investment and even less work. I want Jessica Alba and Miss USA to come and be my "live in" maids to, but that is about as likely as encapping residential carpet. I'm not just spouting off, I have put this to the test. The carpet looked better when I encapped, but then I extracted with the truckmount and every pass the wand would make looked like painting a white stripe down a black cat's back. I own a lot of equipment and have tested a lot more and what I have found is there is no easy way to do resisential carpet. It takes trained professionals, expensive equipment and top of the line cleaning agents and stain removers to do the job right. Residential and commercial are two different worlds, and I have done thousands of square feet of both. But the positive side to those who want to "scrub and run" or "splash and dash" is that those of us independent carpet cleaners who still take the job serious will end up with even more work after Mr. and Mrs. Consumer get their sub-standard cleaning.

I have to agree with Joe.
I have gone behind some scrub and runs even in a commercial setting.
When the manager or a home owners sees what my SD pulles out after just a few days of an encap job They are amazed.

I have even encaped and came back a few days later to prove my point to a few commercial managers. They now have us extract once or twice a year as part of the program

At the very least you need to pad with cotton pads in a residential setting.

Scrub and run does not of these therefore is not actually cleaning but an appearance change. One that has also made me and many others lots of money.


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mikey do you mind if I used your response in a newsletter or something like that?

Brian, there aren't many residential jobs that I would recommend straight encapsulating. We have have padcapped some bad ones with great results.

This previous thread my be of help to you.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/228309/thread/1144552608/

...and i may be no expert on carpet cleaning, but i have been encaping resi for over a year now, and have done repeat work (Lots). I achieve excellent results, and although HWE maybe necessary for "heavily soiled" or urine soaked carpets, i have come to believe that the normal every day household can be encapped. I achieve amazing results on a daily basis, and the customers love it.

Here is my philosophy on what my work accomplishes (feel free to critisize or call me wrong):

I prevac very well. most soil in carpet is loose, therefore needs to removed by vaccuum. I can vacuum all day and NEVER pull out all the loose dirt. Next, i remove the sticky soils, via encap. I scrub and apply the juice. the sticky soils are removed from the fiber and crystallized. The crystalls cannot resoil, and cannot become airborne (as far as I know). The sticky soils are what make a carpet look dirty. So I clean it. I tell the customer to vacuum regularly, because that is the most important maintenace of the carpet they can do. I make sure that my solution contains twice that of commercial carpet work, 6 - 10 oz. depending on soiling of the carpet.

Customer is Happy. I am Happy.

The materials that made up the dirt may still be in the carpet, but it isnt the same "dirt" anymore. If it cant resoil or become airborne, it is an inert particle just taking up space...And thank god i dont wash my self like I would a carpet...my skin couldnt take it!

is this your web page, if so i found it the other day thought it was a really classy looking and informative web page. Do you use a pad after encapping to absorb the dirt or just straight encapping?

Thanks for the compliment, that is an expensive website. However, there is still some information on there from the previous owner that is somewhat inaccurate. I have been hesitant to change it because the opperator of the site charges $90/hr for any work, with a min. charge of one hour!

And i usually always pad cap after wards now, however more often on heavier soiled carpets.

Some good posts above


Encap is perfect for commercial carpet. The fiber is densely packed together and it's glued directly to the floor which produces limited air flow when cleaning with HWE. Encap is perfect for CGD carpets.

On the other hand, extraction is what I've always recommended for residential carpets. It's good to pull as much soil as possible from the carpet at the time of cleaning. HWE or bonnet/pad cleaning will pull more from the carpet than encap alone.

There's a whole lot of living that happens on a residential carpet. The entire family lays around on the carpet and spends a lot of their time at floor level. In a commercial environment people simply walk on the carpet. It's a different situation altogether.

If you're cleaning with an encap detergent like Encap-Punch, two types of cleaning are occurring (extraction and encapsulation). Extraction is taking place at the time of cleaning. And the post vacuuming process can continue to pull whatever may be left in the carpet. Plus there will be a soil resistance effect left behind too.

Since commercial carpets often present problems when they're cleaned with HWE, alternative methods can be a better choice. Encap addresses the challenges of a CGD. Wicking and recurring spots can be eliminated. It's possible to be competitive and generate more profit than HWE. And it's easy to systematize the cleaning so that average techs can do a consistently good job.

So this is why we recommend encap for commercial and extraction for residential. One exception to the rule of extraction for residential is Berber. Berber's do well with encap, especially olefin Berber. Of course, these carpets are more like a commercial carpet than a residential carpet aren't they?




Rick Gelinas
encapman

Well said Rick


RALPH

encap rules on cgd ive made lots of $$$ using it.much more than when i was a hwe guy running around with a bahemeth of a machine as a newbe spending all of my $$$ on gas and propane and giving my labor for free competing with stanley steemer and such why do all of that when encap works and its a fraction of the cost of buying and owning a truckmount even a little 1 lol an d with commercial they need you every month and even if you gave it away at .10 its basically all profit anyways with residential hwe they might call nyou next year even if youv done an outstanding job if they dont find someone 10$ cheaper lol 3 rooms $99 profit if you work solo $ 40 all i can say is thank god for encap and theses monster scrubbing machines and orbital technologies $$$$$$$$$

you call yourself extreme-steam and you don't use HWE ???????????????????

Matt, you use even more encap juice on residential then you would on commercial??????????????????

yes you can use this method but the real answer is should you

I read one ad that states, "this product vacuums out more completely"

go back and read that statement a few times and then go back and read your post over and over again until you finally convince yourself of the correct answer

is the correct answer really that you don't want to spend the money it takes for a TM so you convince yourself that encaping a residential is a good idea because you don't want to pass on the money

I have and use Rick's products for commercial maintance along with HWE

every system has it's time and place

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