Have a demo on Jan 28 with a really big co. Way over 500,000 sq ft job.

If I order a cimex on Monday Jan 22 can you get it to me by then?

Thanks
Joe M

I have just got to ask some questions about this. First, are you sure you put down the right sq. ft. number? 500,000 sq. ft is almost unimaginable. What kind of building is this? Do you plan on doing it with one Cimex? For a job like that I would'nt even consider a Cimex(as great as they are). You might should consider Rick's propane machine. How much help do you have? Wow even if you did the job for 6 cents that would be $30,000.00
Guess I am being nosey but I had to ask.

Never said it was one building, One large bld and four call centers. All being added up into the 500,000 sq ft.

They will be on a carpet maintaince plan of two sections a month. The Avenger would be to big for this type area as there are many desk and cubes on the 2nd floor of the main bld and the other call centers. It would not be done in one weekend like most jobs. This is a year contract. It is being subed out to me from a cleaning service that I am friends with. The owner also subs out this co's vct floor work. I will not give the name of the co due to competition.

And I will be charging .08, The owner of the service co is charging them .12 a sq ft.

This lady knows how to run a biz.

I myself am a little worried weather or not I can do it.

I would be going from doing Aunt Sue's house down the street for $100 to something like this for thousands. It can either be a dream come true or a nightmare, I dont know which one yet.

Any advise from the vet's on this one would be a help.

if you got the guts to take it on, good for you. in addition to the 19" Cimex, you might consider also a larger Cimex like the 24" (i can't recall if they make them that big, but i seem to remember hearing about one), for open areas...a job that size could easily use multi-mex

hope ya get it, keep us posted --- Derek.

Derek, the big cimex might be TOO big to manuever - I'm not speaking from experience per se, but I saw one of those in Orlando that was being used for some concrete polishing of some sort - it was HUUUUGE, I couldnt even imagine pushing that down a hall!!

Joe

ive done jobs like that and thank god i have 3 machine 1 cimex 1 brute and a challenger for the stuborn spots and really tight areas works pretty good in tandem for those big jobs.

Joe,

That won't be a problem. Give us a call on Monday and we can get a machine or 3 or 4 to you by Friday.

Congratulations on the LARGE account!

Keep up the good work





Rick Gelinas
encapman

Joe,

Don't forget to get lots of Releasit and pads. We really like the gray fiber plus pads. Congratulations on the account.

Kevin Pearson

The question is being a one man show, can I do it.

Even though it will be in sections and different locations, the main building is still huge, It has a fountain in it.

Is it more then I can do?

What do you think Rick?

I think you can do it. For $40,000 a year you will figure it out real quick. Look at it this way. One cimex cleans 2000-3000 sf per hour. In an 8 hour day that is 16000 - 24000 sf. How much carpet would you have to do in every month? If it is more than that then either work longer or get another machine and a buddy to help you out. Two machines could easily do 50,000 sf in 8 - 10 hours. So if you worked a Saturday and a Sunday then you could do 100,000 sf in a weekend.

I would say you could do it no problem with two or more machines.

Kevin Pearson

Joe

I live on the east coast of central Fl. I would be glad to lend you my Cimex for Your demo if you live near and want to come buy and pick it up.

Blessings

Wayne

Wayne,

Thanks for the offer, but the drive would kill me, I am in New Jersey.

But again, Thanks.

It was very nice of you to offer.

Joe,

The answer I would give you is going to sound like a "salesman" selling machines, so please forgive me. But multiple Cimex machines is the only way I would consider doing a job that large. Joe you may be an "owner/operator", yet that doesn't mean you have to do all the work YOURSELF.

Let's look at the math together: 500,000 sq foot of cleaning at .12 per sq ft comes to a tidy sum of $60,000
That's not too shabby!

Here's how I would approach this account. I would get myself 3 helpers running 3 Cimex machines plus I'd also have one extra helper getting water. That's a total of 4 people working - me and 3 other people.

I would ask 3 of your friends or relatives to work with you for 4 weekends and pay them WELL. If you use 3 Cimex machines, you can clean at least 6,000 sq ft per hour (with 3 machines). That being the case it would take 83 hours of labor to get the job done. If you spread those 83 hours over a month, that only amounts to 20 hours a week. That could be accomplished on WEEKENDS alone.

I recommend paying your 3 helpers well. That will secure help that's willing to work hard and stick with you till the end. I'd suggest paying out $20 per hour for labor (including your payroll costs). Don't skimp on paying your help, it won't work without devoted help. If you do the math on the labor, that's 83 hours, times 3 techs, times $20 per hour = $4980.

Add 3 Cimex packages $7500. The 3 Cimex packages come with enough free detergent and pads to clean 39,000 sq ft of carpet each. So your first 117,000 sq ft of carpet is covered. Now you'll only need to purchase 10 cases of detergent and pads to finish the job - (10 cases of pads is $300) and (10 cases of DS is $1300). So your total cost for 3 Cimex packages plus supplies comes to $9100.

Your total outlay for this $60,000 job would be $14,080. That means you will be able to personally earn $45,920 for just 4 weekends of solid work. Sweet! I think any of us could live with that

It's just a matter of landing the account and putting it all together. What I have outlined above should help you see that it's fairly simple to organize this and to get the job done smoothly.






Rick Gelinas
encapman

Very few today earn $45000 in a year. Here we are talking about $45000 in 4 week-ends. Any good business man would figure out a way to do it, and Rick just showed you how to crunch the numbers. If you did this every month, you would have a annual income of $540000.00 a year. You are on to something here, make it work, you can do it.

I hate to punch holes in anyones math but Joe did state he would be getting 8 cents a sq ft. His total take is 40k since the rest of the numbers are the same, thanks to Rick $40,000 - 14080= $25920.

You could do this easy with two other people one if you had to, but that would be pushing it a little. Here is one long term problem I can see.
Loosing the account next year. You would be stuck with several used pieces of equipment. DO you do not plan to expand and stay at a larger size? IF not that may to appeal to you. Naturally selling the used equipment is easy to do.

Personally I would ask for another penny a SQ FT, you may be able to get it.
After I was sure this account was a done deal,getting the help training them rite wold be tops on my list. After that I would be phone slap getting several other accounts, hhis will ensure that if you happen to not be renewed with this account your income will not be affected so much and your equipment will not sit idle.


What a great opportunity to grow your business. Dont worry you can to it if you put your mind set to making it work and being profitable. Not guts no glory

David,

You are right - I missed that - I saw .12 not .08 - I guess I must like to see the bigger number LOL

Regardless...

Running the exact same scenario I outlined above - that still leaves Joe a handsome $25,920 of clear profit for 4 weekends of work.

As Ray mentioned, what if he could pull that off all year long? That would amount to $336,960 of (after expense) profit for "weekend" work, without even leaving the "day job" LOL

David you asked about what would happen if he did not retain the account? So what! Even if he used the machines one time only. He has still earned nearly $26K of clear profit for a month of weekends. He can then sell the nearly new machines on E-Bay and get the bulk of his investment back. Even if he got desperate and dumped the machines quick for a bargain price of $1700 each, he would clear at least $31K after the sale of the machines. But there's no need to be a defeatist now is there?

My advice to Joe would be to go for it!

What prevents each one of us from doing truly great things in our business is not something external. What holds most of us back is WE OURSELVES. We are the limiting factor. We are our worst enemy. And Joe is no exception to that. And now Joe is holding a true gem in his hand. He's in a fortunate position. This has the potential to change the way Joe looks at business; at life. Let's not do anything to take that away from him. What Joe needs is a little encouragement to pursue this. It's a terrific opportunity. And I hope he succeeds. Joe is a good guy who has struggled with this business and it sure would be nice for him to see some fruitage for all his efforts.





Rick Gelinas
encapman

Ya'll sure said it more elegantly than I did. This looks like a great opportunity to own three Cimex's and have them paid for with one job.

Just think of all the places you could clean with three Cimex's. We own two and it sure does save a lot of time on the big jobs with both. We usually do just as Rick suggest two guys running the Cimex's and one getting water, moving furniture, vacuuming, getting up gum, etc. Works out well. Just bring a five gallon bucket with you.

Go for it Joe and don't look back. This will kick start your business with lots of cash flow.

Kevin Pearson

Rick my apoligies if I sounded negitive or defeatist
not my intent at all I always like to see the whole picture before I jump in the water most of the time.

We are in agreement here this is a great chance to move up the food chain and start running his business in a whole new maner.

I would go for it even if I could only get one other person to help me out in the begining. We all need to start at some point.

Thanks for all the great advise on this. Rick, I will be calling the office on Monday 1/22 to place an order for a Cimex. It ships from Ohio from what I understand so it should be here by Friday for the demo.

Also I just hired my first undocumented worker today; my wife. If I get the job, I can use her for the small things that need to be done at the job site and best of all she just loves me so much that I have agreeded to allow her to work for free.

Thanks again for all the great advise.

Joe M

My wife has always worked with me in our businesses

And trust me Joe - your wife won't be working for "free"





Rick Gelinas
encapman

Amen to that. My wife has been involved in my business for 18 of our 20 years.

Joe,

I had a similar job that I was awarded the contract for last year. I bought an avenger and another cimex plus I live in the Northeast so I bought a 12 ft trailer to carry all my equipment. I hired two part time guys just for this account. They only work once a week for me and I pay them well Like Rick said.

I like you charge 0.8 cents per sq for this job and make a nice profit. I used my first couple of paychecks to buy my new equipment. I now have all the equipment I need and the help I need. I say go for it, build up your equipment supply with your first couple of checks and then enjoy the benefits of your hard work. good luck


Ralph