urine !
July 19 2007, 1:24 AM

I had a guy tell me that he hhas a urine stain that his father use to tip the bucket next to his bed.So I have no extractor, only vlm equipment.

I told him i need to see what method i would need to use first when i get back in town.

He shampooed smell came back. He spray other stuff,smell came back. Over and over.

Can i tackle it with my Vlm Equipment?


Thanks
Your Servant Alex

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Anonymous
(Login jeffvanburen)
71.238.218.109
Re: urine !
July 19 2007, 5:53 AM

At the risk of asking a stupid question what is Vlm,use a black light for detection, urine can be deceiving and if you miss it it will still smell. If a male dog or cat check furniture skirting and baseboards and walls. if you have no extractor treat with urine pre condtioner allow dwell time rinse with wet n dry, follow up with Hydrocide or Odrocide, Hydrocide has less odor but works instantly. Remember for every ounce of urine you need an ouce of odor remover. After applying odor remover wet n dry back up after dwell time. Clean as usual.

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Del Scrivner
(Login CowboysCarpetCare)
68.107.140.155
Re: urine !
July 19 2007, 7:52 AM

Alex,

Very Low Moisture tools are great but not the way to truly handle urine issues. You honestly are doing a disservice if you cannot extract urine with a water claw and enzymes.


Make you own luck,

Del Scrivner
Owner/Operator
Cowboy's Carpet Care

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Rick Gelinas
(Premier Login cimex)
Forum Owner
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Re: urine !
July 19 2007, 8:03 AM

This question would have been better suited to a new thread of its own. But since it is here, here is my answer...

VLM "very low moisture" methods such as bonnet cleaning, or encap cleaning are not the best way to handle urine. As Del mentioned, hot water extraction is the most suitable way to deal with contaminants such as urine.






Rick Gelinas
rick@excellent-supply.com

I moved this post from the thread below, discussing types of offices to seek as new customers, into a new thread of its own. The topic didn't really relate to the subject being discussed there. It seemed like it would be better suited to a new subject thread. So here it is.

Thanx - Rick the admin guy.








Rick Gelinas
rick@excellent-supply.com

The problem with urine (odor) situations is that even flooding with a water claw although the best tool available cannot entirely remove the source from the backing layer, the underpad let alone the wood or concrete substrate. My Techs and I are always amazed at how much smell remains after repeatedly flooding and extracting a urine damaged machine made synthetic rug ( NB - no latex backing layer, no pad but lots of cotton warp/weft ).

However, after saying that there is still amazingly, a place for vlm technology with odor situations. I once had a situation where even after using tm to extract, treat with emzymes and with digestors and several trips, only the husband could still smell the urine that had been deposited on the carpet in front of the couch where he lay down to watch the boob tube. In desperation, I sprinkled a lot of absorbant powder into the deep pile of the carpet and almost immediately he could no longer smell anything !!!

The moral of the story is:

"Always have many tools in your box" !!

Alex,
If you can why don't you try to purchase a potable spotter to start with.There are a lot of good ones on the market. It would be good at handling small urine,vomit,blood,bodily fluid spills etc. You could pick one up for under $500.00.

Joseph Desmond
Raedan Cleaning Services Inc.

I just bought a Kirby Classic Vac for $22.00. Wow! It has ten million attachments and one of which is capable of shampooing carpet. The other one i got came free. They both are in exellent condition.

Any of you old-timers ever start out with a kirby long ago and experienced the shampoo attachment? What do you think about using it on that human urine stain?

Thanks
Your Servant Alex

Alex,

A Kirby is an OK vacuum. I started my cleaning business back in 1982 with a used Kirby.

The Kirby shampoo attachment was a paltry attachment that enabled Suzie Homemaker to shampo her carpets. This helped the struggling door to door Kirby salesman help her justify spending a couple thousand dollars for an overweight vacuum cleaner that's been around since her grandmother's era. Is it for a professional cleaner? Heck no. Is it going to clean urine? Heck no, again. No more than you could clean urine with your Cimex machine. Contaminants such as urine should be hot water extracted.

You got some good advice above to get a small spotter or portable extractor. This is a tool that you really should have. It will be money well spent, I promise






Rick Gelinas
rick@excellent-supply.com

lol! That was cute Rick.
O.K. I can accept that Susie cue bit. But you must admit those kirbys can suck up some soil. Being a center pull. My bag be full so quick till i began to not like it cause its to messy to shake out.

Now i use the QUIET STORM and only me. Helpers use the kirbys.

Right now i'm torn between a Icap and a spotter. I agree with you 100% about the hwe machine. I've been coming across jobs that require hwe and i couldn't take them.

Thanks
Your Servant Alex