Hello to all,

I am quite new to encapsulation and I found the DS weak. What is DS's suitability? What do you recommend for carpets that are hevily soiled all over and with heavy traffic lanes?

Thank you very much,

Giulian.

I've tried other juice and find DS great are you mixing 4 oz. per gallon/hot water? On severly soiled and stained carpet I also prespray either DS 6 oz to gal/ or Punch 8-12 oz per gal. Also on severe carpet use Ricks Maxi Pads cut grease etc. Haven't had to use maxi pads on any residential only resturaunts. Normally fiber plus pads work excellent on residential and most commercial. I find good solution rate with 250-300SF per R.T.U. product lets me know I'm getting the right amount down on the carpet, I use 1 path soultion down followed by 2 dry passes at a slower pace. Hope this helps.

First, I have tried other "encap" products...I like DS/Punch because it works.

I am curious how important mixing it into hot water is? I just add the proper amount to the water....and the water is never hot.

would it work even better if I mixed into hot water? if so why?

In many situations hot water just cleans better than cold.
To get better results some times you just need more heat, more agitation or more dwell time. BUT there is a limit to all 3.

I am asking ONLY about mixing DS/Punch INTO hot water...which ultimately cools anyway. I keep a batch mixed in my truck.

I use a pump up sprayer....even IF I mixed into hot water, within minutes, it would cool down.

does mixing INTO hot water make any difference?

Good feedback above re suitability.

Phil, the old chemistry standard goes like this...
Every 18 degrees that water temperature increases, doubles the mollecular activity, thereby increasing the potential of the detergent's reaction. So ANY increase in temperature can help with a detergent's efficacy. That being said, our products will work well even at cooler temperatures too.








Rick Gelinas
rick@excellent-supply.com

One of the main important points hammered in carpet cleaning courses is the Cleaning PIE; 1.Agitation, 2.Time, 3.Chemical, 4.tempiture.
fact: for every 18degF over 118degF results in 100% increase effecency of the Chemical plus increases drying times & reduces surface tension also one could reduce the amount of cleaning solution usage.
The main reason that I purchase a CIMEX machine is because it covers all of cleaning pie, hence excellant results.
CHEERS !!

AUSSIE WEST

Am I to understand the Cimex heats the solution before application?

One thing I know about my Vento...the pad gets warm....heat....the products I use are anything BUT weak. Weak ..meaning strong enough to clean...not eat up the carpet.

The original post here was about DS/Punch being weak....I have the opposite view. I know because i tried to other stuff. smells like ammonia.

It amazes me that folks like that stuff. But...maybe this is all subjective.

anyway...DS/Punch works very very well. otherwise (sorry rick) I'd be at the other forums telling everybody how good that stuff is.

The increase in temperature helps with most chemistry, but with some chemistry it actually slows it down. I have a friend here who has a janitorial company and he was having problems with some pioneer eclipse stripper. The pioneer eclipse rep was up here trying to sort out the problem. Long story short, my friend was mixing with very hot water and this actually drives off the volatiles from the solution very quickly (and this is what does all the work). So they tried it with cold water and it stripped like butter.

I thought it was an interesting twist as that flew in the face of everything I had ever been taught.

Rick Thode

Phil,
As you know the Cimex doesn't have a heater in it. The point is that if you use hot water, in most cases the cleaning will be more efficient. As good as the Releasit chemicals are, they will work even better if used in hot water, IMHO. That is why I have two bucket heaters and will fill empty gallon jugs with hot water before leaving for a job that I am not going to vacuum ahead of time (much of my work is within 10-15 minutes from the house).

But I was seeking the methodology used for "heat". and even though I knew, many readers might not. I like your approach. I have a bucket heater...and never thought of using it in this way. so, may hat is off to you. many thanks.

I use a pump-up sprayer and would LOVE to use hot water....but...it simply cools way too fast.

Hi Jeff,

Thank you for the help.

I am using DS with hot water, dilution 240ml per 5 litres. I did a residential job yesterday and the traffic lane did not even move.
By reading your answer and some other posts in the forum I understand that, DS would be a good product for maintenance and the Punch would be the one that removes heavy soils, traffic lanes and some types of stains.
I regards to the pads, fibre plus is good, however, we have a lot of wool here is Australia. I have tried the pad on my wool carpet, is a good quality carpet and turned fuzzy, I will try a brush next time.

Thank you,

Giulian.

Would you pre-spray Punch all over or just over the areas of concern?
Is there anyone that just uses Punch?

Thank you,

Giulian.

I monthly do a greasy resturant, wtare is extremly hot, I prespray all with punch followed with DS in machine. In answer to your question Punch the bad stuff or if you want to play it safe punch it all, if you can use max pads (not on wool). I have used my bucket heater as well several times when water is not above 120, like Mark while vacuuming I'm heating it does help.

Guilian was doing a residential job. Jeff is talking about a restaurant. If 240ml to 5 litres is the same as 4oz per gal. then something else is wrong if a residential traffic lane won't budge.
I have presprayed traffic lanes with either Punch or DS @ 50/50 with success. Don't forget additional agitation on those lanes.

For really bad greasy areas I have had alot of success mixing the Punch at 2X the recommended rate and prespraying, then following up with the DS mixed at 2X the recommended rate. Cuts through the stuff like butter and although it sounds extreme, I also make sure I only get the carpet as wet as necessary. I can get up to 700 SF per gallon of solution and the carpet just glows. I am talking about dirty restaurants. I have not had any problems with this method.

If you use a pumpup sprayer, even if you use boiling hot water buy the time it exits your tip and hits the carpet it's only warm. You need something else that heats and exspells juice. The cimex juice hits the carpet fiber faster and will always be hotter then a pumpup.

I loaded my pumpup with water that was 131 degrees, sprayed into the tub over a guage it was 80degrees, that's a 2min strait spray with A/C on.

With a portable i lose the piece of the pie heat so i use my crb, of course this adds time to the job where hot water means less time on the job.  balance i guess.

Steve