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Bonnet - FiberPlus - Padcap - lowxposure - 01-18-2014
Browsing through the monthly photo contest I see that a folks use a variety of pad types for different jobs... what are your recommendations for pads and releasit combos?
I'll be running a Lowboy and an Orbiter on commercial and some residential (rental units).
I just need a general explanation of what you folks use. My background is pretty much all VCT and limited HWE with a porty, and all in hospitals/doctors offices. Any pointers will be greatly appreciated!
RE: Bonnet - FiberPlus - Padcap - lee@deepclean.us.com - 01-18-2014
I have had great success using Punch and Micro Beast pads with my 175 or my Orbot. Most of my work is 5000 sq ft or less. I pad cap everything.
Lee
RE: Bonnet - FiberPlus - Padcap - encapman - 01-19-2014
Lee hit on an awesome combo. Encap-Punch and Microbeast is an excellent set up!
RE: Bonnet - FiberPlus - Padcap - lowxposure - 01-19-2014
Maybe I don't fully understand what padcapping is... Do you first pre-spray with punch, run a micro beast, and then follow up with a pad?
RE: Bonnet - FiberPlus - Padcap - Shorty - 01-19-2014
From what I understand lowxposure, to padcap, after vacuuming the carpet, you then pre-spray with Punch, then go over it with the machine of choice that has the Microbeast pad attached.
Punch is the pre-spray.
Microbeast is the bonnet (or pad, if you prefer).
The soil is collected into the Microbeast.
Here's a link to the Microbeast.
http://www.excellent-supply.com/MicroBeast-19-inch-Microfiber-Scrub-Bonnet_p_475.html
As a dumb Aussie, I do stand to be corrected if I'm wrong, (again).
Short 1
RE: Bonnet - FiberPlus - Padcap - lowxposure - 01-19-2014
So, If you're running the microbeast bonnets as your primary pad, where do the fiberplus pads fit in? I'm looking at the microbeast, the fiberplus, and superzorb pads, and I can't figure out where each one is different. I have the opportunity to bid on about 15k sqft of CGD... the clear advantage of a bonnet is that it is reusable... the downside is that I would need to purchase several to finish the 15k sqft job at a much higher initial cost than the fiber plus pads.
I don't even know how many bonnets I would need for that job. What is the average sqft per bonnet?
RE: Bonnet - FiberPlus - Padcap - encapman - 01-19-2014
(01-19-2014, 06:06 PM)lowxposure Wrote: So, If you're running the microbeast bonnets as your primary pad, where do the fiberplus pads fit in?
There are two separate primary methods of cleaning that are being considered here. Encap shampooing, and bonnet cleaning. Encap-shampooing = Scrubbing. Padding/Bonneting = Absorption. It's important to differentiate between the two, because different pads/bonnets are used for each application.
FiberPlus pads are used for encap shampooing. These pads are ideal for agitating the fiber and creating a light foam. They have a perfect level of agitation to the fiber for effective carpet scrubbing. They're used for scrubbing, but not really for absorption.
Bonnets (such as the MicroBeast and Superzorb bonnets) are used for absorption cleaning. Bonnets absorb the soil into them. Some guys will go back over the carpet with a bonnet following encap shampooing. And that's where the term "post padding" or "post bonneting comes from.
The term "Pad Capping" is generally thought of as bonnet cleaning using an encap detergent. Some cleaners will also refer to "post padding" as "pad capping".
Keep in mind that these are expressions that were thought up by carpet cleaners to describe what they are doing. So sometimes there may be differing opinions - it's not like you can find this info on Wikipedia. Wink
Hope that info is helpful.
RE: Bonnet - FiberPlus - Padcap - TYMAR - 01-21-2014
Don't mean to interrupt the thread, but my question is also somewhat about method/products too. Recently bid on a carpet job (CGD) about 2500 SF. Thought it was going to be a once a year thing, but convinced them into quarterly maintenance. (Thanks Rick!)
I have a CRB, the CRB spray system (newly purchased from ES), battery sprayer, an orbiter and a number of MF pads and Microbeast pads for the Orbiter. Just starting out.
A number of different ways to do this…...
1. Punch, DS or both?
Do I run Punch through my CRB sprayer, let dwell, then go over with orbiter and pads.
Do I run Punch through my CRB sprayer, let dwell, spray down DS, and then pad.
Do I just run DS through my CRB sprayer, then pad.
Many options, but are there benefits to one of these over the others? Can I mix odorcide in with the Punch or DS?
Also, should I wet the MF or MB pads prior to running them?
Any help anyone?
RE: Bonnet - FiberPlus - Padcap - encapman - 01-22-2014
Encap-Punch is PERFECT for bonnet/pad cleaning. So you could use that as a standalone product with your orbital machine. It is also an excellent pre-spray, so you can use it as a pre-scrub product prior to Encap-Clean DS2 (especially on very heavily soiled carpet).
Encap-Clean DS2 is primarily a Shampoo/Encap product. It is intended to be used to scrub the carpet and leave it. It works very well, and is our number one seller. You can use it with your CRB, with an orbital machine, with a Cimex, or with a rotary. Try it by itself, and I think you'll find that it will cover a lot of ground for you.
RE: Bonnet - FiberPlus - Padcap - Ed E - 01-22-2014
Rick, your last post is one that I would like to fully understand.
I have used punch exactly as you have described. It is a great product.
However, when using DS2 + fiber pad, I have often gone back and run a 'zorb over cgd traffic lanes. I have also been considering the use of DS2 in nylon, cut pile residential, where I almost always use a MF beast followed by a 'zorb. I have been considering DS2 in this environment mostly from a diluted cost per gallon standpoint (vs punch, for instance).
So the questions hang in my mind: Is DS2 completely unsuitable for bonnet/pad cleaning? Does post capping traffic lanes in the cgd environment negate the effectiveness of DS2?
Bonnet - FiberPlus - Padcap - Black2WhiteCarpetCleaning - 01-23-2014
I didn't read the whole blog so I hope I am not to far off.
Commercial Carpet I Use: Pre spray DS2 then spray Fiber Plus Pad then follow up with a light spray over carpet with same product with a low profile bonnet thin, no matter how dirty it works perfect.
Residential Carpet I Use: pre spray punch or ds2 all depending on how dirty the carpet is with a 19" brush then lightly spray again lightly and follow up with a Royal Queen Green Strip Bonnet to Extract looks great.
All this and I only use one machine 175 RPM Floor Buffer and only pre spray no tank.
I have bet over 16 truck mounted company's in my area using these steps.
Black2White Carpet Cleaning
And f course always vacuum before you start service
Black2White Carpet Cleaning
RE: Bonnet - FiberPlus - Padcap - encapman - 01-23-2014
(01-22-2014, 02:03 PM)Ed E Wrote: So the questions hang in my mind: Is DS2 completely unsuitable for bonnet/pad cleaning? Does post capping traffic lanes in the cgd environment negate the effectiveness of DS2?
Nothing wrong with using Encap-Clean DS2 for bonnet/pad cleaning. In fact there are instructions right on the label for bonnet/pad cleaning with DS2. However, Encap-Punch is an even better choice for straight bonnet cleaning.
RE: Bonnet - FiberPlus - Padcap - randyg6224 - 01-28-2014
Is the Micro-beast Pad one sided or two? Can you use both sides? Thanks
RE: Bonnet - FiberPlus - Padcap - Hoss - 01-28-2014
Yes, you can use both sides of the Micro-beast. It really is superior to the terrycloth bonnets for most applications. I think the terrycloth might absorb a bit more soil, but they get ugly pretty fast and even washed don't create a good appearance for the customer. However, they are great for demos to show how much soil can be pulled out of a carpet using pad-cap.
RE: Bonnet - FiberPlus - Padcap - encapman - 01-29-2014
As Hoss mentioned... Yes, you can use both sides of the Microbeast bonnets.